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	<title>Comments on: Helen Caldicott and the fine art of making up nonsense.</title>
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		<title>By: TechDud</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 06:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;released at Chernobyl is, as published in the reports of the Chernobyl Forum, 3 PBq (3×1015 Bq).&quot;
If i am not mistaken, that was the total iodine, cesium and strontium total.  They didn&#039;t count that offensive element.  Note the transmutation of Neptunium239 as a source of plutonium, that&#039;s usually not accounted for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;released at Chernobyl is, as published in the reports of the Chernobyl Forum, 3 PBq (3×1015 Bq).&#8221;<br />
If i am not mistaken, that was the total iodine, cesium and strontium total.  They didn&#8217;t count that offensive element.  Note the transmutation of Neptunium239 as a source of plutonium, that&#8217;s usually not accounted for.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Johnson</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just want to comment on one of Caldicotts hoary old chestnuts that is essentially meaningless....

&quot;theoretically enough to kill everyone on Earth with lung cancer 1100 times, if it were to be uniformly distributed into the lungs of every human being.”

One could say the same thing about the water in an Olympic swimming pool.  &quot;enough to drown everyone on the planet...&quot;

The real question is whether there is a plausible mechanism for this bit of magic to occur.  It turns out that Plutonium is heavy and not very mobile in the environment.  Coupled with the shear size of the planet, this makes her idea preposterous.  But as people have said before, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to comment on one of Caldicotts hoary old chestnuts that is essentially meaningless&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;theoretically enough to kill everyone on Earth with lung cancer 1100 times, if it were to be uniformly distributed into the lungs of every human being.”</p>
<p>One could say the same thing about the water in an Olympic swimming pool.  &#8220;enough to drown everyone on the planet&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The real question is whether there is a plausible mechanism for this bit of magic to occur.  It turns out that Plutonium is heavy and not very mobile in the environment.  Coupled with the shear size of the planet, this makes her idea preposterous.  But as people have said before, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Johnson</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@MarkInEugene...So what you are saying is that Caldicott was using emotion instead of facts to win her argument.  The problem is that humans are terrible at evaluating complex issues  That is why science and rational discussion are so important in these debates.  Whipping people up into an emotional frenzy by &quot;tempering the facts&quot; is counterproductive.  Climate change, Species extinction, Energy production are all part of a interconnected complicated problem that will be very hard to solve even if we can all communicate rationally.

@martindeane...Here is a recent update to counter your unfounded fear of malformed embryos etc. from the respected publication &quot;Nature&quot;
http://www.nature.com/news/fukushima-s-doses-tallied-1.10686

&quot;Experts agree that there is unlikely to be a detectable rise in thyroid cancer or leukaemia&quot;

&quot;A far greater health risk may come from the psychological stress&quot;

That is stress caused by people like Caldicott who &quot;temper the facts&quot;.  
Causing people unneeded psychological suffering does not sound like the actions of a &quot;Humanist&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MarkInEugene&#8230;So what you are saying is that Caldicott was using emotion instead of facts to win her argument.  The problem is that humans are terrible at evaluating complex issues  That is why science and rational discussion are so important in these debates.  Whipping people up into an emotional frenzy by &#8220;tempering the facts&#8221; is counterproductive.  Climate change, Species extinction, Energy production are all part of a interconnected complicated problem that will be very hard to solve even if we can all communicate rationally.</p>
<p>@martindeane&#8230;Here is a recent update to counter your unfounded fear of malformed embryos etc. from the respected publication &#8220;Nature&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.nature.com/news/fukushima-s-doses-tallied-1.10686" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/news/fukushima-s-doses-tallied-1.10686</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Experts agree that there is unlikely to be a detectable rise in thyroid cancer or leukaemia&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;A far greater health risk may come from the psychological stress&#8221;</p>
<p>That is stress caused by people like Caldicott who &#8220;temper the facts&#8221;.<br />
Causing people unneeded psychological suffering does not sound like the actions of a &#8220;Humanist&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: radon newburgh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 17:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always enjoy your posts, I just finnished up with LNT, this is a good article also :) Thanks for the blog!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always enjoy your posts, I just finnished up with LNT, this is a good article also <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for the blog!</p>
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		<title>By: martindeane</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks MarkInEugene, an important rebalance, I think, compared to this hit-piece from someone well-versed with the industry.

I notice there is no update more recently, detailing the meltdowns, and the extent of the actual Level 7 disaster, and that it is a major failure for the industry.

Why not turn your mind to a different approach? What it is likely to mean for real human beings on the ground? Or who eat the fish? Or who breathe the air at the wrong time and the wrong place? The embryos malformed, the congenital defects, the children who die of heart attacks, the thyroids to be excised, the leukaemias that develop and , of course, the cancers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks MarkInEugene, an important rebalance, I think, compared to this hit-piece from someone well-versed with the industry.</p>
<p>I notice there is no update more recently, detailing the meltdowns, and the extent of the actual Level 7 disaster, and that it is a major failure for the industry.</p>
<p>Why not turn your mind to a different approach? What it is likely to mean for real human beings on the ground? Or who eat the fish? Or who breathe the air at the wrong time and the wrong place? The embryos malformed, the congenital defects, the children who die of heart attacks, the thyroids to be excised, the leukaemias that develop and , of course, the cancers.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkInEugene</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 20:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Caldicott is wearing her environmental-humanist cap in this debate.  She is being aggressive with her argument at the expense of scientific fact because of her fear for humanity.  Scientists will always argue over veracity which is the admirable and critical basis of the scientific method.  So I expect her comments to be critiqued vigorously and questioned by her colleagues.  

But sometimes the cold facts need tempering when there are potential dire consequences at hand.  And if anything requires a warning label, it’s a nuclear reaction inside of a dubious “containment” vessel that cannot be simply switched off in an emergency like the one playing out at Fukushima.  

In other words, your learned comments are an important part of the discussion, but no more so than Helen’s dire warnings given the insidious and corrosive power of this energy source toward all things living.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caldicott is wearing her environmental-humanist cap in this debate.  She is being aggressive with her argument at the expense of scientific fact because of her fear for humanity.  Scientists will always argue over veracity which is the admirable and critical basis of the scientific method.  So I expect her comments to be critiqued vigorously and questioned by her colleagues.  </p>
<p>But sometimes the cold facts need tempering when there are potential dire consequences at hand.  And if anything requires a warning label, it’s a nuclear reaction inside of a dubious “containment” vessel that cannot be simply switched off in an emergency like the one playing out at Fukushima.  </p>
<p>In other words, your learned comments are an important part of the discussion, but no more so than Helen’s dire warnings given the insidious and corrosive power of this energy source toward all things living.</p>
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		<title>By: bandido</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t give a crap about tonnes or tons or kilos of radioactive material it took to blow up two vibrant cities a few decades ago...You do your math &amp; we&#039;ll count the bodies from radiation.  Now... that&#039;ll past the &quot;smell test&quot;!  Something ain&#039;t jiving Luke.  Nuke wizzard or not...Japan will loose a shit load of real estate for centuries to come because of this disaster.
Please don&#039;t undermine the reality of this total ruin to the area surrounding ground &quot;Zero&quot; @ Fukishima.  The Gov. has alrady admitted that the waters are loaded with radiation off the charts &amp; are off limits to fishing,etc.  Cities 30 miles away from the no enter zone have higher recordings recently because the winds have changed. Ho-hum, yawn, gotta train more morticians soon!  Then you can number crunch!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t give a crap about tonnes or tons or kilos of radioactive material it took to blow up two vibrant cities a few decades ago&#8230;You do your math &amp; we&#8217;ll count the bodies from radiation.  Now&#8230; that&#8217;ll past the &#8220;smell test&#8221;!  Something ain&#8217;t jiving Luke.  Nuke wizzard or not&#8230;Japan will loose a shit load of real estate for centuries to come because of this disaster.<br />
Please don&#8217;t undermine the reality of this total ruin to the area surrounding ground &#8220;Zero&#8221; @ Fukishima.  The Gov. has alrady admitted that the waters are loaded with radiation off the charts &amp; are off limits to fishing,etc.  Cities 30 miles away from the no enter zone have higher recordings recently because the winds have changed. Ho-hum, yawn, gotta train more morticians soon!  Then you can number crunch!</p>
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